[15:22] I am sorry you do not agree with how I acted and the way I dealt with this, but I asked you to drop it when you were going on about the lgal stuff and you wouldnt. I do not want to be your enemy, but you really got under my skin earlier [15:23] I understand, we were both at arms. [15:23] I apologize for being so brutal, I was angry. [15:24] well thanks [15:24] If I feel kids are being pushed around, I get irate, whether I'm right or wrong about the kids being pushed around. [15:24] and we will have to agree to disagree about the legal issues, but that is no reason to hate each other [15:24] It's in my nature, I hope we can look past our brutishness and get to the real matter at hand, which is a friendly state between clans and people. [15:25] can you explain one thing to me though [15:25] Absolutely. [15:25] how can you say I cannot take action on sebation trashing the forum? I dont get it. [15:25] what he did was sabotage [15:25] Ah, yeah, that is a tricky part to understand. I had to have my Harvard friend explain it. [15:26] and I consider it hacking [15:26] its no different if I give my keys to a car mechanic and he intentionally wrecs my car [15:27] That's a good analogy for me to understand your view. [15:27] The difference is, it's more like if you give your car keys to a mechanic, and he rips up some papers that were in the back set that a friend of yours wrote. [15:27] he was a mod yes but that does not mean he can intentionally cause damage [15:28] The car being your server, and the papers being posts by other people [15:28] it was intentional damage because he pmd us an image telling us it was [15:28] No, he shouldn't have intentially caused damage, I agree. [15:28] It was extremely childish of him. [15:28] It was definitley intentional, it was definitely cruel. [15:28] I saw the image. [15:29] I was even solicited to help him out, but told him it was a bad idea. [15:30] The only thing is, only the people who posted the topics that were deleted have the right to persecute him. I suppose you could rally them to go against him, but that seems unlikely. More importantly, there was no financial or severe emotional damage, which is enough to cause a court to throw out the case before it is even brought to the stand. [15:31] Did he do any unrecoverable damage? As in, has he crippled the clan insofar as they will no longer be able to operate and will thus shut down? [15:31] well I would hope that something like that would be considered a crime [15:33] I can see where you're coming from. It seems pretty awful. I guess it's on the level of two high school kids, one having written a long a beautiful story and the other tearing it up. That shold be against the law, but it's not. [15:33] I'm not trying to say what he did was excusable at all. [15:33] what he did was trash several hundred posts and lost a whole days woth of data but we recovered from the precious days backup [15:34] Oh, that's really good to hear! [15:34] I was worried there was no back-up. [15:34] yea its all back, I do daily backups of all dbs [15:34] but we did loos a days worth of posts [15:35] That's wonderful for TORC, I'm glad you took that precaution. Some site admins think it's not worth it for such side projects. [15:35] I'm glad you value your clan's data. [15:35] my job is data recovery, I know the importance all to well [15:35] i am a Tivoli Storage Manage admin [15:36] Manager [15:36] Really? I'm friends with some of my campus's Tivoli Storage Managers, they have an important job. [15:36] It's rough the hours they have to work... [15:36] and I posted about taking legal actions only after this because I was extremely pissed [15:37] Absolutely, in a case like that I would want to take legal actions as well. I think anyone would. [15:37] yea that was immature, but i also wanted to scare jen and the staff into taking action to stop the flaming [15:38] I just had to deal with talking with Jennifer on the phone and her bawling her eyes out because she was so frightened. [15:39] I know and I am sorry I had to do that but I mean come on she should have handled the falmming and all this stuff a lot sooner than she did [15:39] if i had not done that we probably would still have all the flaming going on [15:39] I can understand where you're both coming from. This whole situation could have been stemmed from nearly the very begining. [15:40] yes as i said I came in here to talk to people and was glined [15:40] zifnab invites you to join #zifnab [15:40] http://rsrepublic.runedude.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=163 [15:40] I was impressed by that topic, they decided to stop flaming on their own. [15:41] Or at least there was pressure to lay off on just mudslinging all the time. [15:41] they tried to talk to Ian and he was getting bitched at by us alos and he should have gotten us in touch somehow with them [15:42] Jen overreacted to us banning like 4 people because they were talking about putting mamyles back on staff [15:44] Yes, she did overreact. [15:44] Some of the statements she made to the members were very malicious. [15:44] yes and her post on RS community also was uncalled for [15:45] she had my MSN and could talk to me if needed but she didnt [15:46] A lot of us failed to communicate, on both sides. [15:46] Plus, we were all clouded in anger. [15:46] It always takes a few days to deal with disputes like this, I guess. We get too human for our own good, lol. [15:47] I'm glad we both seem to be cooling of a bit. [15:48] *off [15:48] yes me too [15:49] and thanks for having a ivil conversation with me, I appreciate it [15:49] I sincerely appreciate this as well. I was worried we would just hate eachother and leave it at that. [15:49] i admit I can be a hothead, but I cool off very fast. [15:49] Heh, I guess I'm a slow burner... [15:50] I hate making enemies, i really want people to be friends and get along and I am always willing to try to work things out [15:51] Wow, that's a stark change of perception for me. I must really have gotten the wrong view of yo. [15:51] *you [15:51] I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions. [15:51] i anger quick and am best left alone for 5 minutes when upset, but after the 5 minutes I have forgotten all about it. I never hold grudges [15:53] I agree with not holding grudges, they misconstrue everything. [15:53] So do you think it is likely now that TORC and the other clan will allie and possibly start becoming friends? [15:54] I really want to see the anti-torc and anti-whateverthey'llbcalled stop. [15:54] I am all for an aliance [15:55] On top of that, I want to see people stop tearing down RuneHQ itself. It's a community that has a lot of positive things going for it. [15:55] but i dont really have much involvement in the clan, we only stepped in as we thought we needed too [15:55] Yes, I believe leaving it to the clans is the best idea. [15:56] thats what I wanted [15:56] let them be and do their own thing with a few restrictions [15:57] they had to respect runehq rules and policies [15:57] Well, they do represent your site, the restrictions were understood. [15:58] Would you mind exchanging MSN addresses? I may want to speak with you in the future. [16:00] sure but my msn is probaly changing after this I have far too many banned people on it and people that I do not want contacting me whenever they feel. I am usually busy and really dont chat much [16:01] That's fine. If you would like, you can MSN me your new address when you feel like it. Mine is ******** [16:02] mine right now is ******** [16:04] Alright, I have added you for now. Contact me at any time. [16:06] thanks [16:07] And thank you [16:09] Would you mind if this log was posted? I will refrain if wished. [16:13] I have no problem with it [16:13] i never discuss things in chat that I mind being posted. your a fool if you do in my mind [16:14] That's true. Everything gets recorded.