From Stormy. Read

If you were not banned on torc, you have probely seen this.
This is right from stormy

Here is a convo I had with Patbag92, he did not realize the full story and was upset at us,

I talked to him and explained what happened. With his permission I am posting this log for you all to see along with the TORC Chat logs that prove this was started by the Ex-staff that left here upset because we removed mamyles from TORC staff. Please read the Torc Chat logs very carefully and you will see that Mamyles and the rest of the staff did initially deserve to be banned, at least as far as we are concerned.

The chat with Pat is TORC_convo.rtf, the TORC Chat room logs is FullStaffChat_1.rtf.

Please feel free to distribute this.

I also have talked with dothecook_cr and have agreed not to press charges or file a lawsuit as long as RSR takes responsibilty for this, apologizes to TORC and RuneHQ and also cleans up all the flamming and disrespect towards TORC on thier site.

Dothecook_cr is assisting in talking to the people on RSR as restitution for his actions here in trashing our forum.

I have also included my conversation with him so you all can see it.

RSR has been cleaned up and Jen has insttuted new rules so, Hopefully all the trouble is about over and we can again get back to being TORC and rebuilding what we lost.

The attached files are in RTF format so you will need word or something that will read RTF files.

http://rhqclan.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=259
http://rhqclan.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=260
http://rhqclan.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=261

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^^ Pure ownage

Those links dont work.
This is in a public announcements forum and guest can view it.

http://rhqclan.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26673

Last edited by Sluffman on Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:03 am; edited 1 time in total

Mrstormy taking sides with Brian1775? Shocked

Clearly he doesn't know which clans are TORCs enimies Confused

Oh and natrually I disagree with your opinion

You disagree with who's Opinion Bob?

I am not taking sides. I am simply trying to resolve the issues and post the TRUE story, you all over here have clouded it and have everyone hating me and RuneHQ because of your not telling the full story

I will not sit back and allow you all to thrash my good name because you’re immature about being banned for trying to do things on my site that was not allowed.

Jen and this site owes me an apology! I do not want to get into a war again, so please read the facts and talk to me if you do not understand. Do not just believe Jen and Bob_the_Cat and others that will only paint a picture of their side without giving me the courtesy to tell my side also.

I believe if you truly read the facts and look at the situation as a site owner you will agree that Mamyles and the other staff talking to him did deserve to be banned.

We only did what was necessary to protect Runehq and TORC from hacking and spamming but yet you all make us out to be the bad guys.

I have NOT once flamed anyone other than calling you immature because you were and are still behaving that way.

TORC and RuneHQ did not start the war RSR did.

and yes this is MrStormy

Thank you runedude for unbanning my IP, it was a pleasure talking to you earlier. I just need my MrStormy Account unbanned.

And as I told you on MSN, to show there is no long lasting hard feelings, I will gladly donate the money for you all to get your IPB board.

if you all would have split off and just came here without all the flaming and trouble, then we would not have all these hard feelings and we wouldn't have tons of people banned on RuneHQ because of this. you all need to look at yourselves in the mirror, some of you really need to watch throwing stones when you live in glass houses.

The bigest thing that really upsets me is the people that started this are here and treated as gods, when they truely deserve to be punished for thier behavior.

There was no reason to post on Runescape Community that TORC was dead, a few of you just had to just be immature and act like brats, sorry but you did. You all have damaged TORC and RuneHQ and I am willing to forgive and forget, but as I said, I want an apology!

well atleast that clears up the dispute Smile

personally I believe that both sides were in the wrong and completelly overreacted

I only came over here because most of the people that I know did Razz

and would have probably stayed with torc if the reverse was true

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Thanks for the sig antiaverage
Truly great people will make you feel as if you can become great as well. That is the moto I live by.

the situation was WAY over exagurated, yes our staff shouldnt have gone agains the Admins, but the admins should have have let us move mamy back to a regular user. i came to RsR only because i am loyal to jen, i know her alot better then ian.

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Heh, basically i'd rather my friends over a clan that hasn't got my friends in it Very Happy

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you did call us losers at one stage, but i agree that we were both in the wrong

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You see I cannot be forsaken, because I'm not the only one!

Sorry for my short reply. I'd only just seen this thread before going to college. Your post is quite a long one so I'm going to quote and comment on individual parts to make it easier to read Smile

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	I am not taking sides. I am simply trying to resolve the issues and post the TRUE story, you all over here have clouded it and have everyone hating me and RuneHQ because of your not telling the full story

TORC and Runehq are posting things from your point of view, we are merely doing the same. We don't want everyone to hate you, I think it was the decision to ban so many people at once which caused people to think this way.

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	I will not sit back and allow you all to thrash my good name because you’re immature about being banned for trying to do things on my site that was not allowed.

I attempted to contact a Runehq Admin who was online at the time so we could discuss the matter in a mature way. Rather then replying and having a nice discussion Im4eversmart told me he was getting yelled at and asked me to stop, so I did. I didn't want to get anyone in trouble or banned so stopped arguing, just like I did when I told you that Runehq violates Jagexs signature rules. As for reacting in a mature way, in #torcstaff we always discuss things and joke around. If you had been in the room once or twice prior to the event you'd of seen this. We wanted to act maturely and discuss it but weren't ever given the chance to.

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	Jen and this site owes me an apology! I do not want to get into a war again, so please read the facts and talk to me if you do not understand. Do not just believe Jen and Bob_the_Cat and others that will only paint a picture of their side without giving me the courtesy to tell my side also.

I don't see why everyone keeps mentioning my name. We have been working on TORC for about 6 months and were banned in less then 30 minutes, we are bound to be angry aren't we? I apologize for the flaming and had already asked players before I found this message to stop it.

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	We only did what was necessary to protect Runehq and TORC from hacking and spamming but yet you all make us out to be the bad guys.

Could you please show me one incident of hacking or spamming Runehq or TORC prior to this event? Players are angry because we were never given a chance to discuss it like adults, that's all we wanted but as we weren't given that option this is whats happened.

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	I have NOT once flamed anyone other than calling you immature because you were and are still behaving that way

You flamed the staff... By banning us from what we've worked on is why we're angry, not because you've called us immature.

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	TORC and RuneHQ did not start the war RSR did.

We both played an equal part.

You didn't give us a chance to contact you and resolve the matter.
We discussed it among ourselves waiting for an oppertunity to contact you.
You banned us from your forums.
We banned you from our IRC.

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	if you all would have split off and just came here without all the flaming and trouble, then we would not have all these hard feelings and we wouldn't have tons of people banned on RuneHQ because of this. you all need to look at yourselves in the mirror, some of you really need to watch throwing stones when you live in glass houses.

I've never heard that saying before Smile

I'm not that happy on the ammount of spamming or flaming either. They are entitled to be angry and we have no power to stop them though. We wanted players to either join us or stay with you, we didn't want members in both clans. Some members have simply made leaving posts, some I believe have PMed you like the announcement says, some have filled in Clan Friend Applications and some have got banned by breaking the rules. Although I see why you thought removing all the TORC staff was a good idea at the time it obviously means a great deal more work on the runehq staffs behalf.

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	The bigest thing that really upsets me is the people that started this are here and treated as gods, when they truely deserve to be punished for thier behavior.

This comment suprises me too. You and your staff lead Runehq, a successful website and so many members respect you and some may treate you like gods. The same applies for TORC. Since we rarely saw anyone from Runehq staff in the clan who had the time to moderate and post a lot, players respected us just as they would respect you more if we moderated occasionally on Runehq.

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	There was no reason to post on Runescape Community that TORC was dead, a few of you just had to just be immature and act like brats, sorry but you did. You all have damaged TORC and RuneHQ and I am willing to forgive and forget, but as I said, I want an apology!

Runehq have annoyed us, and we've annoyed Runehq. I would think you'd be lying if you told us that none of TORC have said bad things about us and told other sites this.

We're still getting ourselves sorted out and many of us are still very angry at what happened. I don't want to say anything on behalf of the clan right now because the members all feel different ways about what happened right now.

My personal opinion is that if Runehq staff had spent more time on our forums and in our chatroom then you'd of seen we would stick up for one-another and would prefer to discuss things then fight over them. You may of also seen that many members were loyal to TORC because of its members and staff rather then the name it represented. Sadly this never happened so all I can do is suggest it so that if/when TORC becomes great again then this can be avoided next time.

Thanks for your time,
Bob_The_Cat.